Board Thread:Season 51 - The Caribbean/@comment-35624472-20190225211204/@comment-4184065-20190227030043

'''“I'm sorry that you thought my opening statement was attacking you, but that's literally what FTC is. I just do find it funny that you're constantly coming after me and not Andrea”'''

Andrea is saying a lot of the same stuff about the weak points of my game, you’re correct. But at least she has been keeping it more contained to the questions that are specifically relating to me or the other players, you on the other hand love to bring me up at every possible moment that you can. So if you want to start complaining about anyone “attacking” anyone else (Spoiler Alert: We are both doing it to each other at this point) take a real hard look in the mirror. It’s not my fault I have to constantly fix all the incorrect stuff you have been saying about me!

'''I think you took this a little too personally, my dude. I was talking about the way it was bad luck that we didn't get a challenge we could beat you in.'''

Yes, you were talking about the bad luck “in a challenge that you could beat me in” BUT you also brought up specifically, how the music challenge was “Bullshitty”. Here, let me jog your memory since you also seem to have forgotten what you wrote.

“The song challenge was kind of bullshitty because there were two songs on there where you could only get them if you knew them” … “Don't really like luck stuff at Final 5”

That is what I was specifically referring to when you were complaining about Luck there Jake. Because the challenge in and of itself was not luck because we had the same base level of knowledge in that game, and use the same strategy to identify the songs, that is what I was arguing. What I was not arguing about, was your general statement about “getting any challenge we could beat you in”. Those are two completely separate things, and you want to conflate them into a single, sweeping statement.

“My point was that you claimed this was where you proved yourself and dug yourself out of a hole, but there was never a hole to begin with.”

And if you read what I was saying in my last message, which clearly you didn’t, I explained to you my reasoning as to why I disagreed with you, and that I was in a hole during that vote. but you seem to be completely ignoring that, and just re-asserting your personal take on the game, which I dispute. I went from being left out of the vote, to helping orchestrate a blindside on the very next vote. No matter what you say, that was the low point of the season for me, where I felt like I was in a hole. If you want to argue about your vague definition of the phrase “Dug Yourself Out Of A Hole” then go for it, but I took that term to mean not in a position of power, and in a place you do not want to be, and changing that. And that is just what I did. It seems to me you don’t want me to fit into the convoluted definition that you seemed to have given that phrase, just so that you come out looking the best as possible.

'''But...you're the one that called me out in here? [In relation to taking people to the end that you think you can win against]'''

Was I? Take a look back at this right here: ''“Here we go again with you assuming you've won already. We saw it in your opening statement, and we're seeing it again now.”''

I’m curious as to what ELSE you think that statement have been trying to imply? To me, I see that as your subtly way to try and say “You took 2 people you thought you could beat to the end easily, and you are assuming you’ve won”. I mean, if I’m wrong, let me know, but I think that from the way you have been phrasing stuff this tribal, that is not an inaccurate takeaway from this statement. Why else would you explicitly mention “You assume you’ve already won” and to say that statement in no way refers to the other finalists whatsoever, seems disingenuous. But go ahead, deny that’s not what you meant.

'''Did you really think it would be a hard battle, Ethan? Did you? Ethan? Did you really? Hmmmm.'''

Yup! And you being a condescending asshole in this answer doesn’t change that :D All these constant negs you are doing against me, trying to make me seem “emotional” and “confused” are pretty great! I’m sure the jury can see right past what you are doing, because that shit doesn’t fool anyone, hate to burst your bubble. Instead of constantly trying to manipulate the tone of the conversation to try and discredit me that way, rely on your arguments. And for the love of god, do not deny that is what you are doing, literally everyone can see that is exactly what you are doing. The constant “Hmmm?”’s and “Did you really think?”’s and “I think you took this a little too personally” are just a few examples. I know enough about debate to know you are just trying to discredit my person, and not my arguments. Which is a shame.

If anyone reading this hasn’t already, please google: “Ad hominem”, because that is exactly what Jake has been doing during literally every one of his responses, and it is kinda annoying.

“I was not even talking about this plan, you have no chill LOL”

Oh yes, how completely foolish of me to assume that you meant THOSE two idol plans when you said the term “Both Idol Plans”. The phrase that you said with no context or additional information in regards to what you were talking about. I was just making sure you weren’t trying to take credit for my idol at the final 6, I wasn’t sure if that is what you were doing. I feel like my response was completely rational, sorry you don’t think that’s the case and “that I have no chill”.

(Yet again, another Ad hominem, where you are trying to attack my psyche instead of the argument itself.)

Jake, we’re almost done here, can we leave the attacks of each other’s character/psyche out of it please? It’s not an effective way to get out points across. I know I’ve been doing it too, but I feel like mine were in retaliation. I’ll stop if you stop? Deal?