Board Thread:Season 37 - Archetypes/@comment-24553600-20161213192225





Hey guys, this took a bit longer then I would've liked it to but finals would happen during the finals of this game, but I'm here now so let's do this.

I wanna just start out by saying a big huge congrats to all three of you. I got to play first hand with each of you, both separately and together as a group, so I feel like I have really good grasp on how each of you worked and maneuvered your way through this game. I'm proud of each of you on a game level and a personal one because I know each of you worked your asses off to get here, none of you were dragged, none of you got here because of different people, you all made moves to get here and you're all equal in my eyes, you all played a hell of a game to get here.

Not everyone is gonna like you, not everyone is gonna think as highly of you as you may like, but don't let that get you people down. Some may have an easier road then others tonight, things may(and probably already have) gotten heated, which is to be expected, it's final tribal council in an intense game where A LOT, of people got done dirty. You may not have all played the same and you all pissed off people getting here in one way or another, but regardless of what happens, we can all agree that this is a game and things may get personal at times, but it's part of a very personal game that leaves people at their most vulnerable. We all said shit about each other behind each other's backs, and i do mean all of us, we all didn't get along 100% of the time, and that goes for everyone even the jurors, the only problem is is that you guys have a chance to win and ours is gone. It is 10000000% a two way streak for a lot of the criticism all of you are getting, but because we failed and you guys didn't you're gonna have to answer them and take responsibility for the shortcomings people are seeing in your games, even if its other peoples faults too because there not here and you are. But again, you all played your own great way and got here, which is something 21 other people in this ORG can't say. So please don't take a lot of criticisms too hard.

In my opinion you three were by far the best players this season, you all got here your own ways and while it may not impress everyone and get everyone's respect, you all have mine for whatever that's worth.

I don't have any questions for any of you, just statements, so no tricks or crazy questions, my vote is really undecided (and I mean that) but I'll be reading speeches and responses to them before I make the final nail in the coffin of my archetypes ride. Also I wanna add that this is an awkward position for me since I genuinely wanted us four to be the final four when I was in the game, so in a cruel sense of irony it's really ANNOYING to me to see you three as the final 3, but let's get on with it.



Jared

Jared, coming into this game and I saw you cast, I really did not know how you would do. My initial impression was you would probably not make the merge. But here you are, the only former winner here and one of like idk 4 people to ever to make FTC both times you played, and if anyone on this cast should be proud of how they played it's you. Barely anyone on this cast made it to FTC either of the times they played, but here you are, a known winner from a really known season, sitting here again. I know how you played in the past, and I know how you played here and you should honestly not feel any sort of disappointment in your game because I think it was great. I think a really big reason why I fucked up was with you, after the Ally vote I really thought Jamie was like rubbing off on you and if you got power you may have wanted to yolo blindside someone again so I was a bit afraid of you and told Jamie and Brett things before I told you (not that it mattered because of Jamie, but I'll get to that later) which shouldn't have been the case since I had really no reason not to fully trust you. It's sad that I was just coming around to it, and then I got my head chopped off. But people both times you played kept saying "Oh Jared's just gonna keep skating by because no ones gonna vote off Jared", people both times KNOWINGLY knew this was gonna happen and yet here you are because it did happen again. You had the perception of being less of a threat then other people, when I think you were a really big threat, especially in your end game set up, you were basically 100% set on making it here based off of the connections you made with the people left in the game at that point. You also had me, someone in power, ruin there game for you; so in my opinion you had a really good social game, the people you were close with you kept close and you had me and Jamie basically have no intentions of ever voting you out. But that's not the full case which I'll mention below. You never relied on people to get you here or let yourself be dragged for a second.

You didn't have to make super moves to get here, you were able to use your image and how people thought of you as a way to do it. It's a really great way to get to the end, but now comes the hard part in explaining yourself, and there's a lot of people who didn't get to the end who may not listen. But I do think you knew what you were doing a majority of the whole time, you weren't just sitting around, you found an idol, won an immunity, planned a blindside and were pretty much in on the majority for every single vote sans mine. There were two parts where you really fucked up with, one was as far as I can tell is your social game with the other side, which also goes into this perception you had. While yes, I know the argument is they may not have tried either, that doesn't mean you couldn't have. But then again if people made up names and were making fun of me behind my back I sure as hell wouldn't be too pleased in having a conversation with them, but being fake is also a big part of the game. The other part is, you needed to stand out from Jamie a bit. I don't think you were her sheep or she dragged you and I know it was a full partnership between you two, but I was like the 3rd in that. It's part of your perception and I know you were attacked about it for no reason a lot in the game, it's not even voting her out but going to people individually and talking to them. But even so, I think you had the best endgame out of the final 3, you made your spot here loud and clear and you did it on your own. The perception may have been you were a sheep or goat, but the reality is sitting here in front of us, the reality is is that you're sitting here again with two other people and that means whatever you did worked just as well as it did with them. The perception from some people is you didn't do a lot, but the reality is reality, it's just up to you now to show everyone. I don't know if you'll win tonight, I'm still considering voting you, but even if you're not Sandra you still played a hell of a lot better then soooooo many people and getting to the end twice is nothing less than legendary. I really am proud not only on a hosting aspect because of Azerbaijan making it to ftc (haha suck it wiki poll who's the best season now), but I see a lot of how I played in Greece and Rome in you. No matter what anyone has to say to you whether they're in the game or not, you played great and that's the reality.

Jamie

If someone told me Jamie Franzel was going to be sitting in the Final Tribal Council of this season when this season started, I would have been skeptical about what drugs they were on. I literally cannot believe you are sitting here because, quite frankly, there was no one who came remotely close to the giant bullseye you had on your back when this season started. People who didn't interact with you for one second and didn't know who you even were, were against you. You had such a huge target, which some of which you caused yourself, but a lot of it had to do with your reputation as well. To say you were a legitimate force in this game, would be an understatement. Strategically, you were in power for a large majority of the game especially the merge. You didn't rely on people to get yourself into majority, you found yourself there because of your game. You sure cozied up to people, but you never relied on anyone but yourself. Premerge Hizoku I'm not even gonna bring up because, the story seems to change every single time you ask anyone about what happened there so I'm just gonna leave it at, you can't always start off on the right foot and you fought to get out of that situation and you did. You fought harder than anyone in this game to get where you're at, even with a string of bad luck haunting you. Socially, I told you, you have to tone down the attitude with some people or a situation like this happening, it doesn't matter how great a game you played because if you piss off people enough there straight up not gonna vote you. I hope that's not the case with some tonight because it would be a damn shame for your whole game to be overshadowed because you turned into MegaBitch sometimes. Not to mention you were a straight up BEAST in challenges, literally there was never ever any sort of challenge that you could've been counted out of. But you didn't even need to rely on it after original tribes, which you may not have needed either according to some??. Every tribal council this merge you had immunity for, you would've survived without it. I don't like voting for people who rely on physical game to get them where they are, but you didn't which is sooo impressive. Your social game sucked with the other side, but you had people willing to fall on the sword for you here too, so your social game wasn't total shit it just could've been better because most people agree that nongame Jamie is great to talk to.

Out of everyone on this cast even I think we had the most history. We played in Rome and were a dynamic duo on that season, I threw challenges to save you then and was the Trish to your Tony when you pulled all kinds of shit there. Even outside the game we had this friendship, that I'm not even sure a lot of people on this cast know about, that I thought was sacred. However it really sucks to find out that you were probably one of the biggest reasons and factors to my demise. Please note that I'm not saying this to you without already recognizing my own faults in this but, I wanna bring this up since I don't think you yourself quite got this. No, you didn't vote me off or were involved in it, you weren't the one who shot me but you were pretty much the one who gave the shooter the bullets. I don't think there was a single thing I hid from you in this game, I told you pretty much everything because I thought you knew that a majority of what I was telling you should not be repeated. It's one thing to go to Jared, because I was likely telling him stuff as well later, but that's not the problem. You told me premerge Chris was probably gonna come for me at some point, I told you stuff that I worried about as well and you told me "Don't worry I'll make sure he doesn't.", and the sad thing is I believed you. People on YT always say vote Jamie out she's crazy, but with us I thought like there was this trust barrier, I didn't tell people a lot of stuff you told me, and if anyone ever brought you up to me I would go bananas and go out of my way to make sure you were safe, until I found out this wasn't a mutual thing. But it's really :/ to hear and find out not only were you like you told me "pitting me and chris against each other so that we would both have you as our #1", but also giving Chris every piece of info I would tell you. I don't understand lying to him saying we were thinking about coming after him at 10 when I told you we weren't, telling him about my idol and then lying to me about telling him, telling him about Brett's fast pass, I told you all of this thinking you would keep it safe and not run off to Chris. You threw me and all of my connections under the bus for no reason, and this was alllll before the Emile vote, which was set off by you telling Chris. I was so loyal to you, and told you so many times how I wanted to help you get to the end because, I got what you were saying with the last org stuff, I got it. I don't know what I did to make you suddenly doubt this trust, I was always straight up with you in saying I wanted the Fucket Four as the final four. So flash forward to hearing in ponderosa that "oh yeah Jamie was soooo happy you were gone she celebrated quite a bit, because she was so upset with how you talked to her after the Emile vote". Wanna know what's actually upsetting? Coming to the realization that someone you care for doesn't actually care for you as much. As far as I'm concerned in this game, not only did you bullshit me with 'i didn't pick chris over you' but you backstabbed me as hard as you did Chris or anyone else. I don't know what kind of mindset you had thinking you were totally innocent like 'oh i didn't know this was gonna happen!!' Really, what do you think is gonna happen when you tell someone that this person has an idol, is really close with Brett, shit Brett told me and no one else, parts of my game specifically, and pretty much everything else, oh and that they were gonna come after you. You gave out every bit of info I had and shockingly, it got turned against me. At the end of the day, I would have done anything for you and we talked multiple times about how in Rome I would've gone to the end and willingly lost to you, and although it's just a game and there's no bitterness inside me, it really does suck knowing that maybe with the tables in position to be reversed that it's not the case at all. You made your choice crystal clear in this game in who and how you were gonna play, even if you didn't do it directly. But to end this on a positive note, it's not over yet, so don't give up. It's 100% not decided who is gonna win yet (I've been wrong before though), but you didn't give up in the game so don't give up now.

Brett

The fuckface himself, you've been someone I wanted to talk to for awhile and I didn't really think you'd get to final tribal council so good job on avoiding me so far. It's funny because, the night of my elimination before I was like kicked out of the chat and such I was like quickly trying to message the hosts about passing the idol to you and I was about to message you like "DONT LET THEM GET YOU TOO!!" or something along those lines but, I took a second, and I realized that you actually were in on it also, which was well ouch, but I'll talk about that in a bit because I wanna start off with good things.

You sitting here, it surprises me and yet it doesn't because I knew talking and playing with you how good you were. I think it's fairly clear that you by far had the best social game out of the final 3, and probably everyone else this season as well, and I think a lot of it has to do with your personality just because you are a really genuine person. You had some strategic move blunders in my opinion, but you're also here at FTC so they worked out for you regardless and because you're here you now have a counter argument to anyone who points that out also. But I just wanna say that your speech and responses have been good so far and I am getting a bit into the mind of Brett when I think about some of these moves. The only thing I could possibly flake you for isn't your strategic game as a whole, but your strategic foresight in the cases of me sorta and the situation of a F2 instead of a F3 when voting out Alexa, which we all assumed it would be at that point. But you're still here, it may have to do with other people making mistakes but you also fought for your spot here and I'm really shocked anyone but me actually wanted to go to the end with you, I figured you'd be the person no one would want to sit next too because I would imagine you'd beat anyone, including me. But that was the friend card in me wanting to go to the end with you, which I doubt worked on anyone else but you got yourself and other people to get you here on a game base which is incredible.

I also wanna mention that in one of my first confessionals, I believe I said something along the lines of like "I'll do anything this season, I don't need anymore friends I'll vote out whoever", so I think that should be a testament to your social game in being able to break my stance on that.

But here comes the personal part, which is something I don't think you received yet tonight. I just wanna say that, I get it, I didn't fully understand why you did it at first, but after some perspective I get it. Nothing I say to you is not without me already realizing where I fucked up and how, but I still have some things that have been kinda building up that I might as well let it out. At first I was really confused and concerned when talking to you when first talking to you, I really didn't connect that well with anyone on here on so much stuff that I figured you were stalking me and keeping notes on me or something batshit and were just really good at buttering me up, but I soon realized that it wasn't the case. I'm not really a personal person, I don't really talk about myself outside of this game to like anyone, but I did with you. I told you stuff about me that I haven't told anyone on here, and it didn't feel weird for once? I typically don't talk to people a lot of the times after seasons are played, just because of idk I'm lazy and shit, but I felt like you were an actual friend and it felt like things were really natural like I had known you for a long time, which is stupid when putting in the perspective that it's Survivor. I think a really big part in why I was drawn to you in the game and why I was taken so back after, was because I just see myself in you a lot. I kinda lost sight in the finish line and my emotions got in the way of wanting to go to the end with you and be JT/Stephen, but now it's this weird Rob/Lex or Kathy kinda thing. I get what happened, I trusted Jamie to keep stuff about the 4 to the 4 because I trusted her too, which was wrong and it sucks knowing that's a really big reason why you lost trust in me. I'll be honest I didn't take being voted out too well at first, especially by your hand after talking about how "we have to beat Chris in this game" and talking about how neither of us wanted to lost to him only for you to turn around and do just that. It's been said tonight that you can control your moves and such in the game, but you can't control how people react and I honestly felt really used and abused by you. I don't know what's the case of how genuine things actually were but, I really did the whole time want to go to the end with you and would've played the idol on you, especially after I learned Jamie was leaking stuff, I would have (and don't sell yourself short because I think you would've beaten me anyway) and I guess that's where we differ in games which isn't a bad thing, it's a cold game. It also doesn't feel good to know after you get voted out by the person you considered your 'best friend', that they were really happy about it and were talking a lot about you after the fact. It's a game, we both know that, it sucks how things ended between us but it won't effect how I vote tonight. So yeah, I just wanted to get that out there, I'm not bitter about it because after seeing things from your perspective I can't say I wouldn't consider the same thing, I would just probably feel worse about it. You don't have anyone in the jury actively campaigning against you like the other two, but it's not locked up yet so don't fuck up.

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So that's it from me, I'm still very pleased with this final 3. I know at a lot of points in this game you all were taking out the people you couldn't beat in the end, but I just wanna say that if any of you three were sitting with any two different people in this game you would've had my vote locked regardless of who you were against probably (except queen Christine). Regardless of who wins or loses this season, I think you all played phenomenally and that this final 3 is one of the best as a whole. And maybe this is the delusional reality I live in, but to see you three as somehow being the final 3, makes me feel like I got 4th, so even though I didn't reach my goal of getting to the end, I'm happy it was you guys who did so my soul can rest easy knowing one of you three is gonna win.

So good luck to you all and congrats, I don't need any responses to this but if you want to respond feel free to.

p.s.- we still should've picked a better show to base our alliance picture off of. 