Board Thread:Season 39 - Morocco/@comment-27478456-20170403191056/@comment-30945643-20170403222805

Alright Romain..you want honesty so I'm going to be brutally honest with my answers. I'm sorry in advance if I offend you.



1) Jose (Najma): I agree.

Constance (Zibaq): I agree

Gevonte (Romain): (Will) I think this is a vote that you can't take credit for in any way, shape, or form. I was the one that got Gevonte to make the alliance, which set Anna and Zak's sights on voting out Gevonte and not you. I also got together every single vote, if Roodman and I didn't tell you, you wouldn't have known you were getting a vote at that tribal.

Dalton (Romain): (Will and Malik) You were the original person to target Dalton but you sketched out Anna and Zak by being so excited about protecting Malik, I told Malik before the results that it was going to be a tie and the he needed to convince Anna and Zak that Dalton was sketchy and Malik was honest, and he scrambled to win over Anna and Zak which made them change their minds. Good on Malik.

Malik (Will/Zak): (Zak) I don't deserve credit for this, Zak pushed for Malik to go but I wanted to vote out Aras. I changed my vote because I wanted to make Anna and Zak trust me but it was not my move.

Roodman (Whitney): (Scott, Whitney) From what I know, it was Scott's idea to throw the challenge so he should be mentioned. Tate was there and not me, so I can't provide much insight.

Scott (Zak/Romain): (Aras/Zak/Romain) Aras flipping is the reason Scott went home and not one of the ZIbaqs. The three of you were the most vocal though.

Kristen (Aras/Will): (Will) I'm pretty sure Aras was trying to vote out Whitney and I wanted Kristen gone so I voted for her and messed up the 4-4 split vote. This was a crazy tribal so Aras can you correct me if I'm wrong?

Zakriah (Romain): (Aras, Romain, Tate, Will) This was most certainly not just a Romain move. I don't think you had to convince anyone to vote for Zak because Aras and I had already decided it that was what we were going to do. And I was the one that told you Zak was trying to vote you out at the swap so I think a large reason that you even had Zak on your radar is me. You, Aras and I decided to pretend like Brett was going home to flush a potential idol, so you should at least get credit for being in on the vote. To be honest we didn't have to gather any numbers for this vote because everybody wanted to save Brett.

Whitney (Everybody): I agree.

Aras (Everybody, even Aras because he screwed up the f6 challenge btw): (, Anna, Brett, Romain, Will) Aras and thought that they had Anna and Brett on their side so props goes to Anna and Brett for being in the middle. You had been targeting Aras since the round before so you get credit, and I was the one that turned Anna and Brett against Aras in the first place. Tate never mentioned to the Truman Alliance that Aras was targeting me even though Aras approached him. Tate waited until he realized Anna and Brett were voting Aras and not me.

Romain (Will): (Will, Anna, Brett) Anna and Brett both told me that you and Tate were targeting me. I just had to play my idol correctly and decide who to vote.

Brett (Anna): (Anna, Will) The reason Brett was up for the tie breaker and not Tate was because I thought Tate would be more likely to take me to FTC than Brett. And Tate was much easier to beat in FTC than Brett.

Anna (Tate): 100%.

2) I know that I have a big ego, but I honestly feel like I try to run the show. I create the alliance that brought 2 players in FTC, one in 5th place (idoled out), and one got fucked by swap. And I also created the chat of the powerful alliance in merge. Sounds like I've made a lot of things in this game.

Oh boy I can argue against this if you want...

You did not run the show because you did not have tight connections outside of our alliance. The Harry Truman Alliance absolutely was a big factor in the game and it is a HUGE reason that Tate and I are here, but when you tried to make moves independently (when you wanted to vote out Aras at F12, F7, and then me at F5) it never worked because Tate and I had better relationships with the rest of the tribe than you did. Your lack of connections also made you vulnerable at different times. At the swap, you were on the block with Aras because you didn't have a good relationship with Anna or Zak.

Also, you would leave me to gather the numbers for votes for you. Me and Malik had to convince Zak and Anna that Dalton should go (though you did kind of stand your ground during the tie) and during the Aras vote, Anna and Brett voted with us because Anna wanted to work with me, and Brett wanted to work with Tate/me (maybe not me, ask Brett!).

Additionally, and this is something Tate has agreed with whether he admits it or not, you were "delusional" in a few areas. You, just like others did, underestimated Anna as a jury threat, and it seemed like you were okay with going to the end with Tate which would have been a win for Tate. I also think that you give yourself too much credit for the votes at times, specifically with Gevonte, Dalton, and Zak's boots.

I agree with your decision to vote for me at F5, but I think you should have done it much sooner. It's harsh, but after Whitney went home, I think you were the least likely person to win in FTC because people viewed you as arrogant and without a social game. I know you pushed to save Whitney and vote out Aras, but working with her was your best chance to flip the game and make yourself a jury threat and if I were you, I would have made a move against Brett/Anna/Me at Final 9 when we were splitting the votes between Kristen and Whitney. You knew how we were voting so if you flipped you could have sent whoever you wanted home.

Sorry if that's hurtful.

3) Will, your social game was bad. You need to learn how to talk with every people, not just the peoples in your alliance. And now, I feel like you just talk to me just in order to have an ally in the game. So, I'm hurt a little bit. However, you tried to take the lead, you made moves, you played me very well. Congrats for that.

My jury management was very, very bad, but my social game was pretty solid. What you didn't see was that, I basically talked to every person on every tribe that I was on, every day. Whether it was a basic greeting, strategy talk, or talking about my day, I had a relationship with everyone. Even when I was being a piece of shit to Whitney, I still talked to her.

I would say I had good or great relationships with Constance, Gevonte, Malik, Roodman, Aras, Brett, Anna, and even you and Tate for a good while. Zak and Tate have both applauded me for convincing people to work with me when it was against their best interest, and while I don't agree that I goated anyone, I 100% agree that I did an awesome job of keeping up my relationship with everyone in the middle. I'll give some ways and instances where my social game came in clutch:

1) Aras' boot: I think Aras would agree that I out-hustled him here. I was in tight with the people that he tried to bring in (Anna and Brett), and that meant that when he did come for me it was a 6-1 because I'd already used my janky ass social game to turn the tribe against him.

2) All of the information I got: I prided myself on generally always knowing where people stood in the game. This is mostly thanks to Anna and Brett and the trust that I built with each of those little tattletales. I put in time with both of them, and I genuinely consider each of them to be a friend. I knew from before the swap that Zak was sketched out on me, and I knew at the swap from Anna that Zak and Aras had become paired. I knew at F7/F8 that from Anna that Aras was considering using Whitney to vote me out, and I knew at the start of F6 from both Anna and Brett that Aras was going to vote for me and that Tate was in on it, and then I knew at F5 that you and Tate were targeting me. Additionally Brett, who knew about the idol, told me to play it on myself because that's he was aware that you and Tate were targeting me. I think you should respect my social game, because it was better than yours (no offense, brutal honesty) and because it's a big reason that your game ended when it did.

3) You said that I needed to talk to people not in my alliance, but I never had a vote against me until 2/3 through the game because I talked with the minority always. Every tribal except for F9, I was talking game (or anything else) with the person that was getting voted out. I was shitty to Kristen and Whitney when they were in the minority, but I also had a great relationship with Brett, who was perpetually on bottom until F6. Constance considered me his #1, Gevonte considered me his #1, Malik considered me his #1 on Zibaq, I'd talked a lot with each member of Najma during the merge boot, ironically Kristen and Whitney most, and that's why their votes were on Aras and not me, and why I wasn't pegged as a big part of the Zibaq Alliance until later.

My flaw with social game (and this isn't even addressing the idiocy of feuding with Kristen and Whitney because that's obvious) was that I came off as too eager to strategize. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think everyone in the jury, even Scott and Tate, knew I was playing hard within a few days of meeting me. That's something that I would love to work on in the future because it left me vulnerable in a few areas. 1) Zak didn't trust me from the start, which meant that I had to be really careful about that for the whole game. 2) After Aras went, everyone knew I was the biggest target (even though I was not the biggest jury threat due to my poor jury management) because I was so overtly strategic. 3) People thought I was lying about the vote steal fiasco when I was really being truthful!

I'm not saying I'm fucking Parvati here, I know my social game has room for improvement. I obviously alienated at least 3 jurors which is completely against the spirit of Survivor, and I would agree that Tate is better at coming off as likable than I am, hands down. But to say that my social game was bad is just wrong, because I never could have had the control that I did at the merge without my extremely active social game, I was able to turn the social connections that I had into actual results which is unfortunately more than Tate was able to do.

4) Tate, I think you didn't made moves by your own. But you got a freaking good social game ! Some peoples were crazy in chats, some other didn't stop to trashtalk them, some dumbs guys were cocky and got idoled out, some others have been frustrated by you. So for that, GG.

I'll argue against this one sentence at a time:

Tate, I think you didn't make moves by your own.

Tate attempted to make moves of own. Don't forget that Tate did try to to take me out at F5 because he didn't think he could beat me, which was a good move. It didn't work for him at F6, F5, or F4 but that's more of a reflection on how I played than Tate, in a different universe he could have been here with a much better resume and maybe he deserves an A for effort!

Tate also made a few subtle social moves that I could see. He showed you, me and Roodman his idol which was a great way to build trust. He had to have done something to build trust in his relationships with Aras, Brett and Zak, and he deserves credit for being closer to you in the HT Alliance than I was.

Some peoples were crazy in chats, some others didn't stop to trashtalk them, some dumb guys were cocky and got idoled out, some others have been frustrated by you.

I would argue that each of these statements is just pretty false. 1) Tate was crazy and over the top in the tribe chat at times, just like I was. 2) Tate did trash talk, that's 100% obvious. Also like I did. 3) Tate would have gotten idoled out in your place had he not won immunity. There were only two idols, and Tate had one of them, and dodged the other one by winning immunity. 4) I don't know of any point where somebody was frustrated or outplayed by Tate, you might want to consult with the Jury on this one.

So for that, GG.

This game was not "good". No Survivor game is good, wtf. People lying to each other, being shady and spending too much time playing flash games. That's not good! It was pretty fun though ;)

5) I feel like you have some others things to say about your game, the game, my game maybe, but you have more to say.

Hm, I think I've been brutally honest about your game, my game, and Tate's game. I guess the only relevant things that I haven't brought up are that Roodman deserves a second chance, Argentina is just okay but it's no Morocco, this is the first time my hands of cramped from typing, France is okay but some of your food sounds gross. I guess I'll ask you a question Romain! Who's your favorite member of the jury and why?

6) Can you give good arguments about your FTC partner ?

I kind of gave an argument for him on the first part of 4, but I can do this. Tate is very adept with people management. He's good at reading people and has a decent grasp on strategy and positioning. He worked his way out of bad positions twice, once in the swap as one of two Zibaqs on a tribe of 4 Najmas and once in F4 because he recovered from being blindsided by making the FTC with the person that he had the best shot against.

The three areas of survivor are Strategy, Social, and Physical, and if we exclude F9-F7, Tate definitely hit 2 of those categories pretty damn well.

Thanks for giving me a chance to speak my mind!